Through it all, Baumbach, 50, is just trying to keep his head on straight. “Staying off the internet is helpful,” he says dryly. “But at the same time, it’s always just nice when people like what you’ve done. You go into all of the movies with the same intention, which is just to make it as good as you can.”
By turns wrenching, tender and darkly comic, Marriage Story stars Scarlett Johansson and Adam Driver as Nicole and Charlie, a longtime couple with a young son whose marriage is coming apart. Despite their best intentions of having an amicable split, the two find themselves dragged into an increasingly messy divorce, as actress Nicole moves to Los Angeles with their child to work on a TV pilot while Charlie, a theatre director, insists on trying to keep the splintering family in New York.
Drawing in part from Baumbach’s own experience as a child of divorce and a divorce himself (he separated from actress Jennifer Jason Leigh in 2010 after a five-year marriage), Marriage Story delves into aspects of what he calls “the divorce-industrial complex” – emotional, legal, financial, parental – that are often hidden from view.
“It’s interesting, for something that’s so common in our society, how little of the process is actually known,” he says. “It’s sort of happening under our noses. It’s both such a big subject on its own, and there’s so much that comes out during it that opens up all these other narrative possibilities.”
For the cast, Baumbach’s screenplay offered the sort of fertile dramatic terrain that actors live for, says Laura Dern, who plays Nicole’s tenacious divorce lawyer.
“I’ve never cried so hard over a script in my life,” she says. “I remember being six, seven years old, watching my mum [Diane Ladd] on a movie with Scorsese, my dad [Bruce Dern] on a movie with Hal Ashby, listening to the words, watching their collaboration, and going, ‘I want to do that thing.’ I read Noah’s script and said, ‘This is the kind of movie that made us want to make movies.'”
Though divorce has been a theme in a number of Baumbach’s films – including 2005’s The Squid and the Whale, which earned him an original screenplay Oscar nomination – Marriage Story actually came out of an impulse to explore the subject of love. “For a long time, I’d been wanting to make a love story, but I had no idea how to come at it,” says Baumbach, who is now involved with director and actress Greta Gerwig, who co-wrote and starred in his 2012 film Frances Ha. “In looking at a couple breaking up, I sort of found this opportunity to tell a love story in its absence.”
While working on the script, Baumbach spoke with friends who’d been through marital break-ups as well as divorce lawyers, judges and mediators. But the echoes of his own life are undeniable. Like Charlie, he is a director who was married to an actress, with whom he has a son. Though a dyed-in-the-wool native New Yorker (“I didn’t learn how to drive until I was 40”), he also has a place in LA and feels the tug of both cities.
As such, Baumbach knows many viewers will wonder just how autobiographical Marriage Story is. “I saw this interview with Philip Roth where he described his process as taking two stones of reality and rubbing them together so they spark the imagination,” he says by way of answering. “I related to that. I think most of my writing has begun that way. I like to know where I am, just as a way to start; I’ll go to a time in my life or a conversation, a place, a smell, a city. I understand it triggers that question. But, for me, it’s often a place to start, knowing that it’s an opportunity for transformation.
I’ve never cried so hard over a script in my life.
Laura Dern, actress
“I think the movies are masks in a way,” he continues. “I mean, I wouldn’t know how to go about telling a story from my own life exactly. Things are more autobiographical in places that people wouldn’t even think to ask about.”
Having worked with Driver on 2014’s While We’re Young, Baumbach knew he wanted the actor to play Charlie. But when he first sat down with Johansson to discuss the project over lunch (the two had met years earlier at a performance of Pink Floyd’s The Wall by Roger Waters), he wasn’t sure if the actress – who at the time was going through her second divorce – would be interested.
“She started telling me what was going on, which I didn’t know, and I had this thought that she was either going to hate this or love this,” Baumbach said. “But she was so open to it right away. I respected that about her, that she was not concerned in any way. Maybe she saw it as an opportunity, because it was something that was close to her as well.”
That’s not to say actually making the film wasn’t sometimes emotionally gruelling – particularly in a climactic scene in which Charlie and Nicole air years of pent-up grievances in one blistering fight. The 10-minute scene was shot over two days and, given Baumbach’s propensity for shooting numerous takes, Johansson and Driver needed to repeatedly go to places of tearful anguish and uncontrollable rage.
“That was an incredibly rewarding thing to shoot and also a really tough thing to shoot,” Baumbach says. “I generally retain emotional distance from the material while I’m making it, but I couldn’t keep distance from that. I would feel bad and I also felt very responsible for them because they exposed themselves so much.”
For his part, Driver relished the chance to keep trying to go deeper. “You got the luxury of 10, 15, sometimes more takes to explore and be surprised by the writing,” he says. “Good writing opens up your imagination to different ways of reading it. The script was so beautifully written, it was just a matter of not trying to put too much on top of it and just believing what you were saying.”
Marriage Story had initially been set up at Amazon Studios, but after the company pulled out amid personnel changes, Netflix quickly stepped in. Having spent his entire career telling adult-oriented stories, Baumbach knows how difficult it can be these days to get people to leave their houses to see those types of movies. But while he has expressed misgivings about the streaming shift propelled by Netflix, he’s been encouraged by the company’s dedication to Marriage Story.
“I’ve been fortunate to find people who’ve supported what I want to do, and I work at a budget level that doesn’t put undue pressure on them,” he said. “While it’s harder now in some ways, because of companies like Netflix there are also more opportunities. Yeah, I look at what’s in the theatre and wish that there were more movies that were made for me. But when you know where to look, there’s always great and exciting stuff. So I don’t know. I’m figuring out where we’re all going as much as you are.”
Still, for Baumbach, nothing can replace the experience of sitting in a darkened cinema, sharing an intimate film such as Marriage Story with perfect strangers: “In a theatre, you’re vulnerable. You’re there. It’s happening in front of you,” he says. “It gives you the opportunity to give things a chance. Some of my favorite movies, maybe you don’t know right away what you think. Then, when you come to it, you love it that much more. Because, in a way, you found it.”
Los Angeles Times
Marriage Story opens in cinemas from November 14 and streams on Netflix from December 6.